Seems fake.

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    Sin

    I think the confusion here comes from the term “search”. It’s not actually “Searching” for your text. All this text isn’t saved somewhere before you start. It’s just an algorithm that can convert a fixed-length block of text into an index, and vice versa. The block of text required for the algorithm to operate is a specific length, so to run the algorithm and generate the index, it first has to fill in the remaining space with junk: spaces, random characters, or words. It gives you all three variants.

    So when you run a “search”, it takes your string, the site randomly generates some buffer junk around it on both sides until the block of text is the right size, then the algorithm converts that to your index.

    This is the reason why:
    1. The text is always in the middle of the page.
    2. The words you entered are surrounded by garbage characters in the “characters” result variant, even though your text seems out of place there.
    3. If you were to search the same string twice, or search the string that someone else sends you, you’ll get a different index. The site is randomly generating that buffer, so when “searching” the buffer text that it creates will be different every time.

    This doesn’t mean it’s fake. Had you randomly fallen upon that same index before you ever searched it, it would have lead to the same text, because the algorithm is deterministic in how it converts indexes to text blocks and back.

    #30870 Reply

    Delengroth
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    Yes, that’s exactly how the search feature works. It’s been explained a few times, even by me, but unfortunately it gets buried in these forums. I only wish there was a more extensive write-up on one of the info pages, but the VSauce video covered it well (which is where I assume most of the traffic here comes from).

    #30871 Reply

    Ed Gore

    So it’s not searching anything… it’s a generator! Yet again Basile’s fraudulences are exposed. To search a database of that magnitude would require nuclear power!

    #30875 Reply

    Delengroth
    Participant

    It has literally never been a secret that the pages are generated. Jonathan has stated multiple times that the pages are generated. Here are some replies:

    https://libraryofbabel.info/forum/?topic=the-library-of-babel-and-my-shattered-vision-of-reality/#post-1515
    https://libraryofbabel.info/forum/?topic=babel-image-archives-2&paged=3#post-5723
    https://libraryofbabel.info/forum/?topic=strange-math-and-hex-names/#post-1486

    It’s also mentioned in Grains of Sand (4th paragraph), albeit not as technical. Not sure what your point is.

    #30876 Reply

    Ed Gore

    My point is, it is called the “search” button! Cold lies!

    #31127 Reply

    aniruddha

    sir/mam when i am entering something in search option a messed up english letters are coming how could i know what is the meaning of that para or sentence i am just finding my particular sentence nothing else.
    so, i am not able to know anything except that my typed sentence.
    plz help, so that i can efficiently use this

    #31129 Reply

    Delengroth
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    There are other options if you look further down. The first one is “exact match” which just finds your search with the rest of the page consisting of spaces. The next one is “with random characters”, which fills the rest of the page with randomness. The one after that is “with random English words”, which fills the rest of the page with words. The last one is “title match”, which searches for books titles that match your search term (can only be seen in the first page, at the top in bold).

    #31536 Reply

    GreenPixel

    For your second point, it’s just statistics. There are millions of pages with garbled nonsense text, with occasional pages with readable text scattered throughout. The algorithm can of course find a match in the library, because that’s what the library is for, but your matching text is nestled within millions of gibberish pages. If you were clicking through pages, it is extremely unlikely you would find anything readable at all.

    #34677 Reply

    Tesla

    personally, I would agree that this whole thing seems fake but for a different reason than all of you seem to be claiming.

    the reason that you all pose is that there couldn’t possibly be this level of randomness with your writing in it. remember; the library of babel claims that it contains EVERY possible book of however many characters. this means that there will be literally anything you can come up with that meets your requirements. I believe the reason that it seems so implausible is that all around a single string of text that seems to have meaning to you, there is a bunch of other meaningless stuff. but to a random generator, there is no difference between your text and the other stuff. it also contains fascinating tales and instructions on how to create world peace, but because a computer can only look for similar or exact matches, you will only be able to search for specific phrases, until AI becomes advanced enough to understand human text.

    another argument was that there were some pages with just your text. those are known as exact matches, and of course, they will show up nearly infinite times, but there’s also another feature if you scroll down with ones embedded in other text.

    the reason I say it’s all fake is that they don’t really have a way of proving it’s realness. I mean this would be SO EASY TO FAKE, and though I’m not the most data-knowing person, I can say reasonably certainly that it would take huge amounts of memory to store all this data, and i would think it’d be very expensive to put all that on your website, but maybe I don’t really understand the internet.

    but they just seem so legit, it feels real. i don’t know, but the math seems like it would map out.

    #34709 Reply

    Ray

    This has been answered a million times.

    The library is generated by an algorithm, which is just like an algebraic equation. Thus, the site itself stores absolutely nothing other than the algorithm, and any bookmarks that are made.

    This would actually be nearly impossible to fake. In order to maintain page consistency, you would need to store every page ever opened. This alone would take up immense amounts of storage, which is simply implausible.

    I made a longer post responding to the primary accusations against the library:

    https://libraryofbabel.info/forum/?topic=read-this-before-accusing-the-library-or-image-archives-of-being-fake

    #34718 Reply

    Ed Gore

    The library clearly takes your input and puts in a scrambled page in an arbitrary “location”and then says it “found” it somewhere… you call that real??

    #36342 Reply

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    #36863 Reply

    Abhishek Yadav

    what the hell if i will give the file location then any website could fetch it so how is it different from them

    #36864 Reply

    Abhishek Yadav

    is it also tells information related to what is going to what happen in my future

    #36865 Reply

    YADAV

    is it also tells us about what is going to happen in our future

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