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September 5, 2018 at 3:14 am #29445
Your reasoning seems a bit dodgy… nothing solid or factual at all.September 5, 2018 at 2:40 pm #29459
Just like the code and claims for this site, make the code open source and I’ll shut up.September 18, 2018 at 12:34 pm #29721
Lmao, if you think the library is fake you may as well argue that Minecraft generating worlds randomly from seeds is a massive hoax. I’m not sure how many times people will need to explain the search function, but Jesus Christ some of you people truly have no understanding of the mechanisms involved in this site.
The English words search cannot reverse engineer a page from a string of characters, it needs a full page in order to get a result. Thus, it randomly generates characters around the search query, and uses that to find where a specific page will appear. This means that the English words search just adds English words around any search query given to it, and uses that to find a page. The only reason this would be “suspicious” is if the English words search had to find pages with only English words, but this limitation makes literally no sense, as the library contains literally everything, including English words surrounding every possible example of some very specific not English strings.September 25, 2018 at 9:06 pm #29882
For those who got fooled, the trick is simple: when you search a text it gets generated in a random hexagon/book/page, then it is stored there forever in that location so if you come back to it again you find it, you would think it was always there but actually it never existed until you looked it up.September 25, 2018 at 9:28 pm #29883
Except that’s not how it works. It uses a reversed PRNG to find the seed that can generate the page you search for. I’ve provided some links here that can help explain the mechanisms:September 28, 2018 at 10:57 am #29931
Not your mom
Wall – 4
Shelf – 5
Volume – 1
Page – 352September 30, 2018 at 11:04 pm #29993
Because every string of text is just a random combination of characters.October 1, 2018 at 3:22 am #29995
Cuomo del Toro
I was en this site et I had le questionne…. why did you make this site, Mr(s). Delengroth?October 1, 2018 at 7:29 pm #30011
Cuomo del Toro: I did not make this site. The creator is Jonathan Basile. He says his reason in his book, Tar for Mortar:
“I was contemplating “The Library of Babel” one night, considering
how it treats language as a purely mechanical, combinatorial
process, and thought — that would make a killer app.”October 1, 2018 at 7:51 pm #30014
Cuomo del Toro
je ne sais pas, you are not the maker?October 2, 2018 at 7:31 am #30023
I am not the maker. The maker is Jonathan Basile.
Je parle un peu de Francais. Le createur est Jonathan Basile.October 3, 2018 at 3:15 am #30051
I typed the phrase
into the search box. This phrase contains all 3200 characters allowed. I have never seen a page filled completely with no spaces and with commas not followed by spaces, to me it seems unlikely that this exact page already existed despite not following the common rules that the pages typically follow. Also it seems to find this exact page instantly. If it were actually searching through the quintillion+ pages I’d imagine it would take quite a while to find this exact page. And if every possible piece of writing is already in existence, why do plagiarism detectors such as turnitin.com not mark every essay as 100% plagiarized, since every single one of them that is under 3200 characters should already exist on this website.
If anyone has any counter claims to this I’d be happy to here them, because I want to believe the site is real, I just don’t.October 3, 2018 at 5:07 am #30055
It’s just a thought, but I would think a way to prove it would be to show the limit of the number of locations. Show that it corresponds with the amount of permutations people are talking about. So, search a long phrase many times and show that it only returns a limited number of locations before repeating, corresponding to the amount of places it should exist.
I just want to say that this is nothing like Minecraft. In Minecraft, you’re never going to find things you might have made, because it’s not in the world generation procedure. You just see emergent features from different built-in variations. This site is claiming to show every possible arrangement of blocks.
I believe it could be real. I just haven’t looked into it much yet.October 3, 2018 at 7:21 am #30062
@bill: You said “If it were actually searching through the quintillion+ pages”, and that’s where you’re misinformed. It’s not actually searching. The reason results are instant is because when you do a search, it turns the that search text into a page that could be found, converts that page into a base 10 integer, and then runs it through the inverse PRNG to find a seed that would generate that page.
@Wade: Actually, the Library is exactly like Minecraft. You know how when you create a new world you have the option to type a seed? If you keep on making new worlds with the same seed, you’ll be in the same one every time. That’s what the hex/wall/shelf/volume locations are, the seed. The even crazier part is that imagine this: Imagine if you were to create a new world in Creative mode except it’s completely empty air. Now, you take dirt and stone, sand, and all of the world blocks and start creating an entire chunk from scratch (within what the natural game generator would create, no crazy structures). When you’re done, imagine if you were able to take your save file and then run it through a program that gave you a seed like “applejuice”. When you use that seed to create a new survival world, it generates the exact chunk you just made from scratch, but then the rest of the world around it. That’s what the Library of Babel is able to do with its pages. The pages are like a Minecraft world chunk.October 3, 2018 at 3:31 pm #30074
@delengroth: Interesting. So letter/word permutations are analogous to generate-able things like cave layouts, not user created structures.