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  • #29445 Reply

    Palladium

    Your reasoning seems a bit dodgy… nothing solid or factual at all.

    #29459 Reply

    Ed Gore

    Just like the code and claims for this site, make the code open source and I’ll shut up.

    #29721 Reply

    Ray

    Lmao, if you think the library is fake you may as well argue that Minecraft generating worlds randomly from seeds is a massive hoax. I’m not sure how many times people will need to explain the search function, but Jesus Christ some of you people truly have no understanding of the mechanisms involved in this site.

    The English words search cannot reverse engineer a page from a string of characters, it needs a full page in order to get a result. Thus, it randomly generates characters around the search query, and uses that to find where a specific page will appear. This means that the English words search just adds English words around any search query given to it, and uses that to find a page. The only reason this would be “suspicious” is if the English words search had to find pages with only English words, but this limitation makes literally no sense, as the library contains literally everything, including English words surrounding every possible example of some very specific not English strings.

    #29882 Reply

    Badr

    For those who got fooled, the trick is simple: when you search a text it gets generated in a random hexagon/book/page, then it is stored there forever in that location so if you come back to it again you find it, you would think it was always there but actually it never existed until you looked it up.

    #29883 Reply

    Delengroth
    Participant

    Except that’s not how it works. It uses a reversed PRNG to find the seed that can generate the page you search for. I’ve provided some links here that can help explain the mechanisms:

    https://libraryofbabel.info/forum/?topic=do-the-texts-in-the-library-exist-before-theyre-read&paged=3#post-29709

    #29931 Reply

    Not your mom

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    Wall – 4
    Shelf – 5
    Volume – 1
    Page – 352

    #29993 Reply

    Catherine

    Because every string of text is just a random combination of characters.

    #29995 Reply

    Cuomo del Toro

    I was en this site et I had le questionne…. why did you make this site, Mr(s). Delengroth?

    #30011 Reply

    Delengroth
    Participant

    Cuomo del Toro: I did not make this site. The creator is Jonathan Basile. He says his reason in his book, Tar for Mortar:

    “I was contemplating “The Library of Babel” one night, considering
    how it treats language as a purely mechanical, combinatorial
    process, and thought — that would make a killer app.”

    #30014 Reply

    Cuomo del Toro

    je ne sais pas, you are not the maker?

    #30023 Reply

    Delengroth
    Participant

    I am not the maker. The maker is Jonathan Basile.

    Je parle un peu de Francais. Le createur est Jonathan Basile.

    #30051 Reply

    bill

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    into the search box. This phrase contains all 3200 characters allowed. I have never seen a page filled completely with no spaces and with commas not followed by spaces, to me it seems unlikely that this exact page already existed despite not following the common rules that the pages typically follow. Also it seems to find this exact page instantly. If it were actually searching through the quintillion+ pages I’d imagine it would take quite a while to find this exact page. And if every possible piece of writing is already in existence, why do plagiarism detectors such as turnitin.com not mark every essay as 100% plagiarized, since every single one of them that is under 3200 characters should already exist on this website.

    If anyone has any counter claims to this I’d be happy to here them, because I want to believe the site is real, I just don’t.

    #30055 Reply

    Wade

    It’s just a thought, but I would think a way to prove it would be to show the limit of the number of locations. Show that it corresponds with the amount of permutations people are talking about. So, search a long phrase many times and show that it only returns a limited number of locations before repeating, corresponding to the amount of places it should exist.

    I just want to say that this is nothing like Minecraft. In Minecraft, you’re never going to find things you might have made, because it’s not in the world generation procedure. You just see emergent features from different built-in variations. This site is claiming to show every possible arrangement of blocks.

    I believe it could be real. I just haven’t looked into it much yet.

    #30062 Reply

    Delengroth
    Participant

    @bill: You said “If it were actually searching through the quintillion+ pages”, and that’s where you’re misinformed. It’s not actually searching. The reason results are instant is because when you do a search, it turns the that search text into a page that could be found, converts that page into a base 10 integer, and then runs it through the inverse PRNG to find a seed that would generate that page.

    @Wade: Actually, the Library is exactly like Minecraft. You know how when you create a new world you have the option to type a seed? If you keep on making new worlds with the same seed, you’ll be in the same one every time. That’s what the hex/wall/shelf/volume locations are, the seed. The even crazier part is that imagine this: Imagine if you were to create a new world in Creative mode except it’s completely empty air. Now, you take dirt and stone, sand, and all of the world blocks and start creating an entire chunk from scratch (within what the natural game generator would create, no crazy structures). When you’re done, imagine if you were able to take your save file and then run it through a program that gave you a seed like “applejuice”. When you use that seed to create a new survival world, it generates the exact chunk you just made from scratch, but then the rest of the world around it. That’s what the Library of Babel is able to do with its pages. The pages are like a Minecraft world chunk.

    #30074 Reply

    Wade

    @delengroth: Interesting. So letter/word permutations are analogous to generate-able things like cave layouts, not user created structures.

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