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February 2, 2018 at 2:16 pm #24367
…and page 103.February 2, 2018 at 2:34 pm #24368
Seeing as a hex seems to be MORE than 3200 characters long, and includes numbers (though not spaces, commas or periods), it’s very easy to understand how every hex could be a reference to a unique text snippet of 3200 consecutive characters. All the information required to recreate an arbitrary sequence of 3200 characters is contained in another arbitrary sequence of 3200 characters (the hex); it’s just a hash that gets converted into another text string.
The magic comes from the deterministic nature of the algorithm that converts the hash into the result: you can tell somebody to browse to a certain page of a certain volume of a certain hex, and they will find the same page, every time (so if you’ve searched in advance for an English phrase, that phrase will be on that page for anyone that happens to stumble upon that exact page).
But in the end it’s essentially just a cryptography system to jumble text. A simpler version of the Library of Babel would be a web page that generated a five-letter page based on an input of the alphanumeric locations of the alphabet in that word. So I could tell you to “browse to page 13 1 7 9 3” and you’d be astonished to discover the plain English word “MAGIC” on that page! Every five-letter sequence of characters could be found on the pages of this library. Extrapolating from that, it feels way less impossible that this library could actually contain every possible 3200-letter sequence, it just needs a longer “page number”.
It still makes it no less remarkable that somewhere, on the pages of those “books” in the Library of Babel, there is the story of how I was born, and the truth of how I will die. In 3200 letters or less. 🙂February 4, 2018 at 4:25 pm #24407
In case anyone else was looking at the code of the site and landed here, I also found the repo where the code was in another post, pretty groovy stuff:February 9, 2018 at 2:57 pm #24471
German words and numbers in the english word section? Seems fake to me. The english words section exposed you buddy.February 23, 2018 at 5:05 pm #24666
You appear to be viewing different languages with a very apparent bias. Two different languages on one page is barely far-fetched.March 11, 2018 at 7:46 am #24875
Holy fuck, I didn’t know this many people could be this stupid all at once.March 14, 2018 at 11:46 pm #24950
If it is the fact that it can’t be represented, which someone here mentioned, which is in question… let’s find out.
We enter in a value of up to 3260 numbers and letters to find the hexagon. That’s 36 possibilities (alpha-numeric) to the power of 3260 characters. This results to 3.5168391172241269991211410484182e+5073 hexagon rooms, lets call this H for now.
Each H has 4 walls with 5 shelves which each have 32 volumes. We would multiply H by the number of volumes in each room to get the total number of volumes. So H * (4*5*32) = H * 640 = 2.2507770350234412794375302709877e+5076 total volumes, lets call this V.
Each volume has 410 pages with up to 3200 characters of alpha, space, comma, and period. This is V * 410 * (26+3)^3200 possible arrangements of characters. This gives us a total of 4.7162115404621427649743854464087e+4679 possible combinations of 3200 character pages.
When you search, realize that it is showing you the first result as your search text followed by spaces, which is a character allowed in the alphabet they have defined to use on the pages. They also show you searches where it appears in some pages.
How do they do the search and find the location of such a string in a large set of seemingly random text? The code is out there. I have yet to look, but this is the truly interesting part of the problem, right?May 10, 2018 at 5:22 pm #26674
How could this be “fake”? Of course you can find a random string of characters within English words, because the library literally ALL possible combinations of letters on 430 pages. The reason you’re calling it fake is because you don’t know how it works.May 14, 2018 at 3:44 pm #26755
Some dude that wants to believe
The thing is that you probably won’t find a page with actual text that is genuinely readable. It would probably take more time to read the whole Library of Babel, than the time universe spent existing up to this day. Most of the books contained in the Library of Babel will never be read. Ever. Looking for memes in the Library is quite funny, and it is also a good example.
When looking for “bonus meme”, you can get three types of pages. Ones that are exact answers to your expectations: “bonus meme”. (There are 100000000000000000000000000000 pages that are exact answers.) You can also get pages that are filled with random chars, and get “bonus meme” somewhere on this page. (I agree, the fact that they only appear in the middle is quite disturbing.)(There are 29 to the power of 3210 answers concerning random chars with “bonus meme”.) You can also find “bonus meme” in random english words. (Only 97328052 pages this time.) Titles are also things, but I find it weird that so many books have the same titles. What I’m trying to say is that this Library is v a s t. As vast as the milky way or perhaps, as vast as the universe itself. You only have to b e l i e v e . I chose to.May 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm #26756
Some dude that wants to believe
Forget about the middle text stuff. Just checked, and yes, indeed, it shows the page with the most middleish searched text, but the middle thing is false when one chooses to browse other results.May 26, 2018 at 12:58 pm #26992
I call BS. Searching for something, and then browsing for what it supposedly found by hex, wall, section, shelf doesn’t work.
The example someone gave of…
For example, the phrase “para potatoes is a silly person” appears on page 261, hexagon:
wall 1, shelf 4, volume 07.
doesn’t work, unless there is some copy and paste problem – copying and pasting the hex values from the site’s textboxes into it browser textbox never seems to work.
And the “All English words of three or more letters are highlighted above. Hover over overlapping (green) words for analysis.” is highlighting nonsense combinations of letters. The Anglicise thing only seems to work on its search results which you can’t browse back to.
Then if you search for nonsense words it finds them in pages of otherwise actual English words and even finds them with any numbers of extra spaces in and around them, which really seems to show it up as bogus.
niate furlong catcalled polysaccharose dynes trichinisations profitlessly automa
tous coproduce fifteenths diphthongally tritiate coachload sillabub parallelisti
c bakhshishes submersion fsfdsf dsf sd fs df sd fsdf overloving
unfrequented madly unisex electroacoustic predominator enzymologists coassisting
toadies anarchise entellus afterpiece compesces colligation snoep scored fustil
A load of bollocks.May 26, 2018 at 1:00 pm #26993
Sadly it doesn’t show the multiple adjacent spaces in the final example of the bollocks.August 26, 2018 at 11:47 am #29269
Far mofoAugust 26, 2018 at 5:18 pm #29274
it sure seems like a hoax..September 5, 2018 at 2:47 am #29443
It’s official, I’ve been had, along with anyone else on here who drank the cool-aid. I had my suspicions from the beginning, because Basile’s statements like “there are more pages in the library than atoms in the universe” were hard to swallow. And, I kept asking myself, why doesn’t Jonathan Basile just make his code open source to squash the skeptics. After all, he claims he isn’t in it for the money, he just wants to make the library available to everyone free of charge, so why not let us see the code so we can see if it actually works. But, the final nail in the coffin came when I got around to reading more of the information that’s available on the site, which I should have done in the beginning. I learned that Jonathan Basile wrote a book about Jorge Luis Borges who wrote The Library of Babel and then all I had to do was follow the bread crumbs to reviews of Tar for Mortar to find out that Jorge Luis Borges is a well known trickster, well known to everyone but me. So, Basile is following in Borges footsteps and it’s just a cunning hoax which sucks us in because we want to believe it, and all I had to do from the beginning was a little basic homework and then add two plus two to avoid being taken. Face it kids, the jokes on us, we’ve all been had.