Seems fake.

This topic contains 26 replies, has 1 voice, and was last updated by  miguel89 3 weeks, 4 days ago.

Viewing 12 posts - 16 through 27 (of 27 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #12999 Reply

    Liquidweird

    Oh and messiah, how did you go long enough without breathing to type your post? You clearly don’t have the mental capacity to use both language and maintain autonomic functions at the same time.

    Or in monosyllsbles for your benefit: bite me.

    #13001 Reply

    para-potatoes

    Liquid, I can select the blank spaces just fine. Are you sure it’s not your computer?

    #13006 Reply

    messiah

    u must b a fag

    #13032 Reply

    SIX10

    Holy crap people in this thread are dumb. Going to answer a few questions people might have about the Library of Babel and how it may be coded.

    1: You can import dictionaries into your program, thus you be able to search for a page filled with english words.

    2: No, we do not know for sure if its just making up a random page with your name on it, but its probably not. You can easily create something in python that searches for what you enter (a string) in another string.

    #13049 Reply

    messiah

    look m8 the logic behind the page generation is that the input accepts some numerical shit (hexagon, wall, shelf, volume, page), and with a clever algorithm – unclearly described in https://libraryofbabel.info/theory4.html – will ‘translate’ it to a page of text u see afterwards. do u get it?

    #13050 Reply

    messiah

    I mean alphanumerical of course. sorry for the typo.

    #13134 Reply

    miguel89

    I do think the library is “fake” but not for the reasons mentioned above. What the search function does is generate a random page with your text on it. It’s not like it actually searches a practically infinite amount of strings; that would be stupid and pointless. For all intents and purposes the search function creates the page in the process. The contents of the page are encoded in the hexagon string so the only way to find a specific page is to know its exact contents (which is not really interesting).

    So why I think this is “fake” is that for example these two pages are identical:
    https://libraryofbabel.info/book.cgi?0-w1-s1-v18:1
    https://libraryofbabel.info/bookmark.cgi?ea_smzybetctigliriq322

    I went to browse and picked the first page, searched it, and it returned the same page in different coordinates. It kinda ruins the magic when there are countless copies of the same page. This means that the system can’t locate any single page, it just creates a new page that contains the text you want.

    I know programming is hard, but there must be a way to create an actual Library of Babel. This site toys with the idea but fails to implement it properly.

    #13135 Reply

    messiah

    >For all intents and purposes the search function creates the page in the process.

    EXA-FUCKING-CTLY! this is the main point of this site. a translating algorithm works in the background, for some input it generates an output, very similarly to the cryptographic functions.

    >This site toys with the idea but fails to implement it properly.

    fuk u

    #13160 Reply

    Renato J. Couré

    “In the vast Library there are no two identical books”, the Borges’ story states. It does not say that are not two identical pages.

    #13161 Reply

    Renato J. Couré

    Edit: It does not say that there are not two identical pages. (I’m sorry, not an English speaker over here)

    #13162 Reply

    Ray

    Random words doesn’t need a search that is English words. All it needs is a string of characters, which it then finds somewhere that it coincides with a page of entirely words. These pages, while extremely rare to find randomly, are very easy to locate for an algorithm.

    Something tells me you haven’t read the theory, or how this website was created. It’s run by a random seed that is put through an algorithm. That way, the algorithm can be reverse through a search query to find the different places that your string would appear, as well as where it would appear with other things (English words for example).

    #13189 Reply

    miguel89

    “In the vast Library there are no two identical books”, the Borges’ story states. It does not say that are not two identical pages.

    That’s a good point. But I don’t see how that could be guaranteed either because in the end everything is randomly generated. Seems to me that it’s actually guaranteed that there are also duplicate books.
    But yeah, I didn’t consider that when I made my initial criticism, and only now did I realize that the search apparently returns all the locations the exact page is found in, “~10^29 possible exact matches” it says, which is weird because wouldn’t there actually be 410*29^3200^409 places a page can appear in (when every possible book exists and there are no duplicate books)?
    Also, the theory page only talks about producing all the unique pages (29^3200), and not producing all unique books (that’s 29^3200^410, an even more insane number).

    But maybe I’m being too harsh. The system is kinda neat. I don’t think I could do better.

Viewing 12 posts - 16 through 27 (of 27 total)
Reply To: Seems fake.
Your information: