i feel i must point out,its not a valid point, scoring points isnt the point, an d even if ll added the enormous bullet point subject to availability at every op portunepointthat isnt the point of this thread, which by this point everyone, in cluding the op, should appreciate is way beyond the point of pointless point sco ring. as points go were, not to put to fine a point on it, all now reaching the antipodal point to whatever point the op was trying to make at the point we all started going round in circles. . . so very long ago.